ReelSociety Forums


Your home for all Reel and Real discussions.

Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Mr. Columnist himself presents weekly analysis and tips.

Moderators: Buscemi, BarcaRulz, Geezer, W

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby Shrykespeare » April 8th, 2018, 1:12 pm

Weekend Estimates

Top 10:
5 points - A Quiet Place, $50.0M
4 points - Ready Player One, $25.1M
3 points - Blockers, $21.4M
2 points - Black Panther, $8.43M
1 point - I Can Only Imagine, $8.36M
TP's Acrimony, $8.1M
Chappaquiddick, $6.2M
Sherlock Gnomes, $5.6M
Pacific Rim Uprising, $4.9M
Isle of Dogs, $4.6M
The Miracle Season, $4.1M



PTA:
Top 10:
5 points - You Were Never Really Here
4 points - A Quiet Place
3 points - Lean on Pete
2 points - Isle of Dogs
1 point - Where is Kyra?

No word yet on Spiral.
Happy 60th birthday Tim Burton! (8/25/18)
User avatar
Shrykespeare
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11757
Joined: September 12th, 2009, 11:38 pm
Location: Glendale, AZ

Advertisement

 

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby Walleye413 » April 8th, 2018, 4:42 pm

Okay, is there any other genre that can "break-out" the way that Horror can? I'm trying to think of other movies that have in the past few years (La La Land, Hidden Figures, Wonder) and none of those seem to fit a Genre quite like Horror (Get Out, Split, It, Quiet.) Maybe "Feel-good" movies? They're either a treacly mess or a massive hit?
User avatar
Walleye413
Borat
 
Posts: 1295
Joined: November 17th, 2009, 1:17 am

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby transformers2 » April 8th, 2018, 5:10 pm

Horror fans are incredibly loyal to the genre and that dedication tends to show in the OW receipts. That being said, I think A Quiet Place's success is more of a testament to its strong marketing campaign, very positive reviews and unique premise that helped attract audiences that don't tend to flock to horror films.
BRING BRENDAN FRASER BACK TO THE BIG SCREEN DAMN IT
Check out my blog http://maitlandsmadness.blogspot.com/
Movies,Music,Sports and More!
User avatar
transformers2
Maximus Decimus Meridius
 
Posts: 4261
Joined: October 23rd, 2009, 5:15 pm

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby Buscemi2 » April 8th, 2018, 5:28 pm

Unique premise? All they did was combine It Comes at Night with Hush (another horror film built around sign language but was passed on by the studios) and attract a name actor to it. If not for the marketing campaign and Michael Bay's involvement, the film would have only made a tenth of what it really did. In fact, the real story is that marketing is what filmmaking is now. In addition to marketing budgets being bigger than actual film budgets, the fact that studios can spend so much to promote a film has cannibalized any chance of smaller films of ever breaking out (we've heard of a new horror renaissance for some time now but outside of the studio-released films, has a general audience actually seen a lot of these films praised by critics and the more rabid fans?).

And I wouldn't exactly call the horror crowd loyal. They'll demand things and not show (see Strangers: Prey at Night, Blair Witch, and Jeepers Creepers 3), nitpick over the smallest things, create narratives that have no basis in reality (such as their whole belief that there was only one good decade of horror), and turn everything into a fight (especially if it's about Scream, The Conjuring, or the PG-13 rating). That's a community that's more splintered than driftwood.

Lastly, the success of this film (along with Get Out and Lady Bird from last year) is going to continue to enable perhaps the most alarming trend in filmmaking right now: actors trying to direct. Too many are trying to do it all at once. And for every Orson Welles, it feels like there are ten James Francos. We need to stop fueling their inflated egos and actually let people actually trained to direct order the actors around. It's as if a high school student tried to teach a class.
It's like what Lenin said...I am the walrus.
User avatar
Buscemi2
Peter Gibbons
 
Posts: 1416
Joined: July 25th, 2017, 9:13 pm
Location: Neither here nor there.

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby transformers2 » April 8th, 2018, 6:10 pm

Buscemi2 wrote:Lastly, the success of this film (along with Get Out and Lady Bird from last year) is going to continue to enable perhaps the most alarming trend in filmmaking right now: actors trying to direct. [/b]Too many are trying to do it all at once. And for every Orson Welles, it feels like there are ten James Francos. We need to stop fueling their inflated egos and actually let people actually trained to direct order the actors around. It's as if a high school student tried to teach a class.


Wholeheartedly agree. Those soulless hacks Peele, Gerwig and Krasinski need to stick to acting!
BRING BRENDAN FRASER BACK TO THE BIG SCREEN DAMN IT
Check out my blog http://maitlandsmadness.blogspot.com/
Movies,Music,Sports and More!
User avatar
transformers2
Maximus Decimus Meridius
 
Posts: 4261
Joined: October 23rd, 2009, 5:15 pm

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby Buscemi2 » April 8th, 2018, 6:43 pm

You misinterpreted my entire point. For every Get Out, you end up with a bunch of these soulless exercises in navel-gazing that only got made because the actor had clout. And they glut up the film festivals and VOD services every year. For example, look at Lost River from a few years back. Do you think that film would have gotten made and released by a major studio had it not been made by Ryan Gosling? And there are rumors that Bradley Cooper's directorial debut is terrible and that it's getting emergency reshoots.

I get that you're easy to impress and will jump to conclusions if you don't agree with something, Tranny, but it's a trend that needs to die. I'm all for actors making something. But they need to prove they can actually make a movie and not say they directed something to satisfy their self-worth. As I said, not enough Orsons, too many Francos.
It's like what Lenin said...I am the walrus.
User avatar
Buscemi2
Peter Gibbons
 
Posts: 1416
Joined: July 25th, 2017, 9:13 pm
Location: Neither here nor there.

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby transformers2 » April 8th, 2018, 7:08 pm

How so? You opened your tangent by stating that the success of Lady Bird, Get Out and A Quiet Place was going to continue to enable this "alarming" trend of actors directing. Actors have been trying their hands at directing for decades and I don't believe that the critical and commercial performance of the aforementioned trio of films is going to suddenly cause a substantial spike in the number of projects helmed by actors. Are some projects going to greenlit just because they were directed by a respected actor (i.e Lost River, The Last Face)? Sure. Are all these projects going to be quality? Of course not. However, I think it's ridiculous to get worked up because some actors have gotten behind the camera and made well-received films in the past 12-18 months.
BRING BRENDAN FRASER BACK TO THE BIG SCREEN DAMN IT
Check out my blog http://maitlandsmadness.blogspot.com/
Movies,Music,Sports and More!
User avatar
transformers2
Maximus Decimus Meridius
 
Posts: 4261
Joined: October 23rd, 2009, 5:15 pm

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby BanksIsDaFuture » April 8th, 2018, 9:26 pm

Buscemi2 wrote:I get that you're easy to impress and will jump to conclusions if you don't agree with something, Tranny


You should try to learn how to have a discussion with people online without insulting them. Especially people you've been having the same discussions with for over a decade now.
Alexandra Daddario: Eyes of a Demon, Face of My Future Ex-Wife
User avatar
BanksIsDaFuture
Alex
 
Posts: 5972
Joined: October 23rd, 2009, 4:09 pm

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby Ron Burgundy » April 8th, 2018, 10:15 pm

Souless hacks, Alarming trends, heh.

I wouldnt call Clint Eastwood Orson Welles.

But hey, we've been playing this game long enough to know that the audience who pays to go watch something is the big picture. Of recent times how can we explain the success of I can only, imagine, black panther, the boss baby, girls trip, the emoji movie!? etc....

As for genre movies to break out i can think of those August hits like The Help, The Butler and those late summer movies with Meryl Streep
“One time I wrestled a giraffe to the ground with my bare hands.” — Dale
User avatar
Ron Burgundy
Gunnery Sgt. Hartman
 
Posts: 2088
Joined: November 23rd, 2009, 7:27 am
Location: Perth, Western Australia

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby undeadmonkey » April 9th, 2018, 1:20 pm

Buscemi2 wrote:I'm all for actors making something. But they need to prove they can actually make a movie and not say they directed something to satisfy their self-worth. As I said, not enough Orsons, too many Francos.


how are they supposed to prove they can direct a movie with out them directing a movie?
User avatar
undeadmonkey
Tony Stark/ Iron Man
 
Posts: 4021
Joined: October 22nd, 2009, 1:39 pm

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby Shrykespeare » April 9th, 2018, 7:17 pm

Weekend Actuals

Top 10:
5 points - A Quiet Place, $50.2M (5)
4 points - Ready Player One, $24.6M (9)
3 points - Blockers, $20.6M (3)
2 points - Black Panther, $8.7M (34)
1 point - Tyler Perry's Acrimony, $8.4M (5)
I Can Only Imagine, $7.8M
Chappaquiddick, $5.8M
Sherlock Gnomes, $5.4M
Pacific Rim Uprising, $4.8M
Isle of Dogs, $4.6M
The Miracle Season, $4.0M



PTA:
5 points - You Were Never Really Here, $44,276 (5)
4 points - A Quiet Place, $14,311 (4)
3 points - Lean on Pete, $11,744 (3)
2 points - Isle of Dogs, $8,236 (2)
1 point - Where is Kyra?, $7,000 (1)

Spiral did not report. Which is fine, because no one picked it anyway.



I will post the Super League updates tomorrow.
Happy 60th birthday Tim Burton! (8/25/18)
User avatar
Shrykespeare
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11757
Joined: September 12th, 2009, 11:38 pm
Location: Glendale, AZ

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby Ron Burgundy » April 10th, 2018, 4:18 am

If, 9 months ago you would have said Black Panther would make 34 Top 5 points and top Titanic's BO, i would have called you crazy. How many PTA did it pick up?

Christ, what a game changer! Has anyone here seen it and disliked it? Is there any reason to not watch it...

And A Quiet Place with over 50 OW, is pretty nuts as well.

OK, lets take a look at summer, is there ANY movie that will come close to Black Panthers numbers?!
“One time I wrestled a giraffe to the ground with my bare hands.” — Dale
User avatar
Ron Burgundy
Gunnery Sgt. Hartman
 
Posts: 2088
Joined: November 23rd, 2009, 7:27 am
Location: Perth, Western Australia

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby W » April 10th, 2018, 8:36 am

Adjusted for inflation, the original Jurassic World, Jurassic Park, and Avengers (which includes Black Panther) are above BP, so you've got to give the sequels a chance at it.

Avengers is trading at $570 right now on HSX, which puts it $160 M above Ultron and $50M above the original.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
User avatar
W
Jack Torrance
 
Posts: 6561
Joined: October 21st, 2009, 4:37 pm

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby transformers2 » April 10th, 2018, 8:58 am

Infinity War is going to make a stupid amount of money, but it more than likely won't pass Black Panther. Other than that, I don't see anything else on this summer slate even flirting with $600 mil+.
BRING BRENDAN FRASER BACK TO THE BIG SCREEN DAMN IT
Check out my blog http://maitlandsmadness.blogspot.com/
Movies,Music,Sports and More!
User avatar
transformers2
Maximus Decimus Meridius
 
Posts: 4261
Joined: October 23rd, 2009, 5:15 pm

Re: Down the Rabbit Hole with Buscemi: April 6th-8th

Postby Shrykespeare » April 10th, 2018, 9:09 am

Black Panther earned 25 PTA points. Yeah, I agree. I can see Avengers easily topping $500M, but $600 is a stretch. JW:LK I see maxing out around $400-450M.
Happy 60th birthday Tim Burton! (8/25/18)
User avatar
Shrykespeare
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11757
Joined: September 12th, 2009, 11:38 pm
Location: Glendale, AZ

PreviousNext

Return to Speare's Tips

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests