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I realize I'm the Buscemi of the hour, but everything I said is either completely true or extremely easy to connect the dots. Why else let online horse racing have a pass, but not poker if not for money? If you looked into it, you may or may not come up with the same conclusion, but until you do, you have no leg to stand on.
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Maybe it's because as you said, the states handle horse racing but not poker.
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That's what I was getting at. They handle horse racing, therefor, it's exempt. They get nothing from poker, so it isn't. The government shouldn't be in business to make money. That is the definition of socialism.

If gambling is bad (I don't think it is), it should be bad for everything. Horse racing is almost as pure gambling (i.e. requires less skill than most anything) and is exempt. The lottery is as pure gambling as a roulette wheel (though you have better % on a roulette wheel) and is completely accepted.
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I'm gonna call bull shit on the "horse racing is the same as a roulette wheel and requires no skill" thing. Have you ever even done it? How are there professional handicappers, who make millions a year betting on horses, if there was no skill behind it? Its JUST like poker. The more you practice at it, the more information you accumulate, the better you get at it, plus it takes some natural level of talent. Of course there is still a lot of luck involved, and major upsets happen frequently, but THE SAME THING HAPPENS IN POKER. That's why they call it GAMBLING. Its a terrible comparison.

You should have really just stuck with the "the government needs to stop trying to police us from ourselves" angle. Because it is absolutely accurate. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if any of these sites were cheating, because of the lack of regulation, but we still go back because we trust them. Maybe that makes us foolish, but its still fun, and you still can win, it does happen. What SHOULD be happening, is the government should EMBRACE online poker's popularity, tax the shit out of it, and use it for their benefit, as well as REGULATE the hell out of it and make damn sure that there is no fraud, no cheating going on. Without this, you get this stupid bullshit that is going on right now.
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Well said, Geez.

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That's what I was getting at. They handle horse racing, therefor, it's exempt. They get nothing from poker, so it isn't. The government shouldn't be in business to make money. That is the definition of socialism.
Er... no, it's not. It's to use taxes in order to guarantee a high standard of basic living (health, public services, education).
And just so you know, socialist goverments like Sweden allow casinos and gambling, so your rant is a little bit odd. No offense, but I've noticed that rifht-leaning Americans tend to redefine socialism in order for it to mean whatever they think is bad or what they don't like about the government.

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I know what socialism is. If the government owns the business, like the TVA, lottery, and some horse racing, they are leaning socialist in those areas. At least I read that some tracks were government owned when I looked up UIGEA. Allowing and taxing privately owned horse racing and casinos is capitalist.
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I think that's a rather misleading and simplified understanding of socialism. As I mentioned before, Sweden is one of the most effective socialist governments in the world, and their casinos aren't government owned. A government trying to own gambling institutions isn't an example of socialism. It could be an example of totalitarianism, a dictatorship, etc.

Again, this assertion reminds me of the American right who tries to define anything negative as socialist.

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Sweden isn't pure Socialism. Nothing is pure anything. Just because they don't own the casinos and are socialist doesn't mean that owning businesses isn't socialist. Part of Socialism is public ownership of some companies, means of production, etc another part is the welfare state, but I'm not focusing on that. The US has given money to companies in exchange for stock, took over businesses rather than let them fail and runs it's own numbers game, among other things. These are socialist programs, no? I was always taught that if a business is run by the government, for instance, the Tennessee Valley Authority, that is a socialist business.

If you don't like the wording, replace it with totalitarianism. The points are valid.
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Phil Ivey announced that he's not playing in the WSOP because funds from FullTilt have not been returned to their owners yet. He filed a lawsuit with Tiltware (who owns FullTilt) because he was tired of people asking him to do something, though he's probably got high six figures if not seven figures in his personal account on there unable to withdrawl it. I didn't realize PokerStars has already given back funds. I thought they weren't allowed to until after the lawsuit. I currently have over $100 still sitting there.
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Anyone out there watching the WSOP Main Event live?

I've gone up and down the list of who's still in it. Not a lot of familiar names left besides Negreanu. I know last year's champ went out early, and Joe Cada went out early too. Don't even know if any of the Mizrachi clan came.
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I've heard of David Bach, the current chip leader. I'm sure you've heard of Jean-Robert Bellande. He was on Survivor and has been a B or C level star of the poker world for a long time. Joseph Cheong placed third in the main event last year. Allen Cunningham is one of the most skilled players out there he has five bracelets. Eli Elezra is a prominent player. And Erick Lindgren is in last place right now.

A bunch of others ring a bell, but I couldn't tell you anything about them.
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I remember Cheong, don't know how I missed his name. Same for JRB.
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I'm rooting for Cunningham. He was a WSOP POTY and finished 4th in 2005.
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4:30pm: 218 players left, and Negreanu is in dead last place. Only a matter of time.

Leader is now Alex Moore at $3.5M. According to the WSOP website, he's "trended" up over $3M of that. Must have quintupled up or something.


5:30 pm: Negreanu is out in 211th place.

Leader is now Phil Collins at $3.5M, after taking down a $1.5M pot.


There are now under 200 players left. I'm now off... to go play poker. ;)
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Sunday, 4:15 pm AZ time:

Now under 100 players. Chip leader for most of the day has been Phil Collins, who was actually over $10M for a time but now still holds the lead at just over $9M.

The most notable name to be eliminated on Day 6 is Joseph Cheong, the last remaining player from last year's November Nine. (He finished 3rd.)

Bellande and Cunningham are still in it, though they currently have less than the chip average.
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