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Kevin Love is one of the few players in the NBA who can put up rebound numbers like the ones Wilt and Bill Russell used to put up. And he can score (I believe he's the last player to date who's had a 30-30 game). If you are offered him for an unproven player who could fall under the Kansas curse straight up, you take him and you'll laugh your way through the playoffs.
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Look, most Kansas players have rarely fared well in the NBA (Wilt Chamberlain and Paul Pierce are the main exceptions). It's a program that makes its players look amazing in college but fails to prepare them for the pros. It's just like Penn State football players: high-profile in college but all the momentum dries up when those days end.

It's not just about ability. There are other factors (chemistry, knowledge, the pure intangibles). In short, I really do not think Wiggins will be a star and that Cleveland should make this trade no matter what.
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I like the idea of Wiggins developing around LeBron, and with Irving running the point there wont be too many teams able to handle those 3 when they're all on the court at the same time. I feel that if Love joins Cleveland, he will have to take more of a back seat like Chris Bosh did, which means no more 30-30 games. Any way you look at it, the Cavs are in a terrific position, only a disaster could prevent them from making the play-offs. And Matthew Dellavedova is an Aussie, i watched him play against China before he was signed by Cleveland, good to watch, great hussle and enthusiasm who can shoot the 3 ball

I think the team that might surprise is Portland, possibly fighting San Antonio and Oklahoma City for top spot. Lillard is a star, Matthews and Batum still under-rated and Aldridge has finally hit the form he should be. Just depends on their bench
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I remember a few years back when I said Lillard wouldn't do well due to a lack of competition in college. I completely take that back now. If anything, Lillard proved that there are good players that aren't playing in the major conferences.
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Buscemi wrote:Kevin Love is one of the few players in the NBA who can put up rebound numbers like the ones Wilt and Bill Russell used to put up. And he can score (I believe he's the last player to date who's had a 30-30 game). If you are offered him for an unproven player who could fall under the Kansas curse straight up, you take him and you'll laugh your way through the playoffs.
Well, let's not get crazy...Wilt averaged 25 rebounds a game for an entire season. Seeing someone grab that many in a game is an anomaly these days.
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I said can, not will.
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While doing my Basketball Hell simulation for the 1995-96 season, I had this interesting game log with a player.

The player was Cuonzo Martin (who is better known as a coach at Tennessee and formerly Missouri State, where I remember him from) and during that season, he was a bench player for the Vancouver Grizzlies.

The stat line:
-four games, seven minutes, 6/6 FG's, 6/6 3-point FG's, 18 points

And in at least one of those games, he was the team's second leading scorer with 9 points. In two minutes. Bizarrely enough, the one game where he didn't score was a win (knocking the Grizzlies out of the worst of 1996 tournament).
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And now, every Basketball Hell tournament winner (loser) and the team that they faced in the final game. Also included, every ABA season.

Note: the berth note is for the all-encompassing tournament for the worst ever.

1951-52: Milwaukee Hawks (lost to Syracuse 107-87 for berth)
1952-53: Indianapolis Olympians (lost to Syracuse 93-82 for berth)
1953-54: Milwaukee Hawks (lost to Baltimore 89-79 for berth)
1954-55: Minneapolis Lakers (lost to New York 110-104 for berth)
1955-56: Fort Wayne Pistons (lost to Philadelphia 109-107 for berth)
1956-57: Rochester Royals (lost to Philadelphia 109-97 for berth)
1957-58: Detroit Pistons (lost to Philadelphia 129-110 for berth)
1958-59: Detroit Pistons (lost to New York 110-86 for berth)
1959-60: Boston Celtics (lost to Cincinnati 118-109 for berth)
1960-61: New York Knicks (lost to St. Louis 130-121 for berth)
1961-62: New York Knicks (lost to Cincinnati 133-119 for berth)
1962-63: Detroit Pistons (lost to Cincinnati 120-109 for berth)
1963-64: Baltimore Bullets (lost to New York 115-112 for berth)
1964-65: New York Knicks (lost to St. Louis 135-125 for berth)
1965-66: New York Knicks (lost to Detroit in overtime 135-130 for berth)
1966-67: Los Angeles Lakers (lost to Baltimore 149-134 for berth)
1967-68 (NBA): Chicago Bulls (lost to Philadelphia 135-128 for berth)
(ABA) New Orleans Buccaneers (lost to Indiana 109-95 for berth)
1968-69 (NBA): San Diego Rockets (lost to Philadelphia 137-118 for berth)
(ABA) Houston Mavericks (lost to Pittsburgh 131-111 for berth)
1969-70 (NBA): Boston Celtics (lost to San Diego 127-109 for berth)
(ABA) Miami Floridians (lost to Washington 133-121 for berth)
1970-71 (NBA): Buffalo Braves (lost to Portland 145-107 for berth)
(ABA) The Floridians (lost to Denver 125-108 for berth)
1971-72 (NBA): Cleveland Cavaliers (lost to Portland 117-115 for berth)
(ABA) New York Nets (lost to Dallas 116-113 for berth)
1972-73 (NBA): Houston Rockets (lost to Portland 118-108 for berth)
(ABA) San Diego Conquistadors (lost to Kentucky 129-102 for berth)
1973-74 (NBA): Cleveland Cavaliers (lost to Portland 126-114 for berth)
(ABA) Denver Rockets (lost to Memphis 99-92 for berth)
1974-75 (NBA): Milwaukee Bucks (lost to New York 130-120 for berth)
(ABA) Virginia Squires (lost to San Diego 115-94 for berth)
1975-76 (NBA): New Orleans Jazz (lost to Seattle 122-96 for berth)
(ABA) Virginia Squires (lost to Indiana 128-99 for berth)
1976-77: New Orleans Jazz (lost to Indiana 109-106 for berth)
1977-78: Kansas City Kings (lost to New Orleans 108-106 for berth)
1978-79: New Orleans Jazz (lost to Phoenix 119-100 for berth)
1979-80: Golden State Warriors (lost to Washington 113-98 for berth)
1980-81: New Jersey Nets (lost to Dallas 112-108 for berth)
1981-82: Utah Jazz (lost to Chicago 130-89 for berth)
1982-83: Cleveland Cavaliers (lost to San Diego 108-107 for berth)
1983-84: Houston Rockets (lost to Cleveland 106-97 for berth)
1984-85: Indiana Pacers (lost to Kansas City 121-93 for berth)
1985-86: Sacramento Kings (lost to New York 118-110 for berth)
1986-87: Los Angeles Clippers (lost to Indiana 109-105 for berth)
1987-88: New York Knicks (lost to Houston 115-88 for berth)
1988-89: Miami Heat (lost to Washington 110-101 for berth)
1989-90: New Jersey Nets (lost to Seattle 127-102 for berth)
1990-91: Denver Nuggets (lost to Washington 132-114 for berth)
1991-92: Denver Nuggets (lost to Miami 98-96 for berth)
1992-93: Sacramento Kings (lost to Atlanta 123-112 for berth)
1993-94: Milwaukee Bucks (lost to L.A. Clippers 103-101 for berth)
1994-95: Detroit Pistons (lost to Phoenix 96-63 for berth)
1995-96: Charlotte Hornets (lost to Sacramento 112-90 for berth)
1996-97: Golden State Warriors (lost to Milwaukee 99-90 for berth)
1997-98: Los Angeles Clippers (lost to Philadelphia 113-101 for berth)
1998-99: Vancouver Grizzlies (lost to Chicago 102-97 for berth)
1999-00: Milwaukee Bucks (lost to Utah 98-97 for berth)
2000-01: New Jersey Nets (lost to Vancouver 102-93 for berth)
2001-02: Milwaukee Bucks (lost to Denver 116-108 for berth)
2002-03: Denver Nuggets (lost to Detroit 110-99 for berth)
2003-04: Orlando Magic (lost to Houston 109-62 for berth)
2004-05: New Orleans Hornets (lost to Atlanta 111-102 for berth)
2005-06: Boston Celtics (lost to Seattle 106-96 for berth)
2006-07: Portland Trail Blazers (lost to New York 108-105 for berth)
2007-08: Philadelphia 76ers (lost to Memphis 129-109 for berth)
2008-09: Sacramento Kings (lost to New York 115-79 for berth)
2009-10: Detroit Pistons (lost to Sacramento 101-98 for berth)
2010-11: Milwaukee Bucks (lost to L.A. Clippers 108-102 for berth)
2011-12: Charlotte Bobcats (lost to Minnesota 112-93 for berth)
2012-13: Sacramento Kings (lost to Charlotte 93-86 for berth)
2013-14: Boston Celtics (lost to Memphis 97-88 for berth)

Totals:
Detroit Pistons - 6 (1956, 1958, 1959, 1963, 1995, 2010)
Sacramento Kings - 6 (1957, 1978, 1986, 1993, 2009, 2013)
Milwaukee Bucks - 5 (1975, 1994, 2000, 2002, 2011)
New York Knicks - 5 (1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1988)
Boston Celtics - 4 (1960, 1970, 2006, 2014)
Utah Jazz - 4 (1976, 1977, 1979, 1982)
Brooklyn Nets - 3 (1981, 1990, 2001)
Cleveland Cavaliers - 3 (1972, 1974, 1983)
Denver Nuggets - 3 (1991, 1992, 2003)
Houston Rockets - 3 (1969, 1973, 1984)
Los Angeles Clippers- 3 (1971, 1987, 1998)
Atlanta Hawks - 2 (1952, 1954)
Charlotte Hornets - 2 (1996, 2012)
Golden State Warriors - 2 (1980, 1997)
Los Angeles Lakers - 2 (1955, 1967)
Chicago Bulls - 1 (1968)
Indiana Pacers - 1 (1985)
Indianapolis Olympians* - 1 (1953)
Memphis Grizzlies - 1 (1999)
Miami Heat - 1 (1989)
New Orleans Pelicans - 1 (2005)
Orlando Magic - 1 (2004)
Philadelphia 76ers - 1 (2008)
Portland Trail Blazers - 1 (2007)
Washington Wizards - 1 (1964)

None: Dallas Mavericks, Minnesota Timberwolves, Oklahoma City Thunder, Phoenix Suns, San Antonio Spurs, Toronto Raptors

* - defunct

ABA Totals:
The Floridians - 2 (1970, 1971)
Virginia Squires - 2 (1975, 1976)
Denver Nuggets - 1 (1974)
Memphis Sounds - 1 (1968)
New York Nets - 1 (1972)
San Diego Sails - 1 (1973)
Spirits of St. Louis - 1 (1969)

Meanwhile, I wish the Denver Nuggets would bring back this logo.

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The Basketball Hell Tournament:

NBA/ABA tiebreakers:
1967-68 tiebreaker: New Orleans Buccaneers (lost to Chicago 125-110)
1968-69 tiebreaker: Houston Mavericks (lost to San Diego 124-111)
1969-70 tiebreaker: Miami Floridians (lost to Boston 133-121 in overtime)
1970-71 tiebreaker: Buffalo Braves (lost to The Floridians 108-98)
1971-72 tiebreaker: Cleveland Cavaliers (lost to N.Y Nets 115-105)
1972-73 tiebreaker: Houston Rockets (lost to San Diego 111-105)
1973-74 tiebreaker: Denver Rockets (lost to Cleveland 117-89)
1974-75 tiebreaker: Virginia Squires (lost to Milwaukee 109-90)
1975-76 tiebreaker: Virginia Squires (lost to New Orleans 126-95)

Boston Region
(1) 1959-60 Celtics (bye)
(2) 2007-08 76ers 123, (15) 1974-75 Squires 84
(3) 1987-88 Knicks 109, (14) 1989-90 Nets 95
(13) 2003-04 Magic 116, (4) 1956-57 Royals 96
(12) 1960-61 Knicks 118, (5) 2005-06 Celtics 114
(6) 1964-65 Knicks 127, (11) 1971-72 Cavaliers 107
(7) 1965-66 Knicks 109, (10) 1980-81 Nets 100
(9) 2013-14 Celtics 99, (8) 2009-10 Pistons 89
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(8) 2009-10 Pistons 120, (1) 1959-60 Celtics 108
(15) 1974-75 Squires 109, (10) 1980-81 Nets 99
(11) 1971-72 Cavaliers 118, (14) 1989-90 Nets 112
(5) 2005-06 Celtics 120, (4) 1956-57 Royals 107
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(1) 1959-60 Celtics 117, (4) 1956-57 Royals 108
(14) 1989-90 Nets 112, (10) 1980-81 Nets 101
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(4) 1956-57 Royals 117, (10) 1980-81 Nets 113

New Orleans Region
(1) 1967-68 Buccaneers 121, (16) 2011-12 Bobcats 111
(15) 1988-89 Heat 104, (2) 1995-96 Hornets 94
(3) 1985-86 Kings 114, (14) 1997-98 Clippers 111
(4) 1976-77 Jazz 153, (13) 1990-91 Nuggets 118
(5) 1972-73 Rockets 126, (12) 1969-70 Floridians 120
(6) 1963-64 Bullets 113, (11) 1979-80 Warriors 90
(7) 1977-78 Kings 128, (10) 1968-69 Mavericks 124
(8) 1983-84 Rockets 127, (9) 1978-79 Jazz 98
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(9) 1978-79 Jazz 127, (16) 2011-12 Bobcats 110
(2) 1995-96 Hornets 132, (10) 1968-69 Mavericks 107
(14) 1997-98 Clippers 114, (11) 1979-80 Warriors 107
(13) 1990-91 Nuggets 142, (12) 1969-70 Floridians 133
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(16) 2011-12 Bobcats 120, (12) 1969-70 Floridians 118
(11) 1979-80 Warriors 118, (10) 1968-69 Mavericks 95
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(10) 1968-69 Mavericks 120, (12) 1969-70 Floridians 111

Minneapolis Region
(1) 1954-55 Lakers 119, (16) 1998-99 Grizzlies 98
(15) 2002-03 Nuggets 110, (2) 1999-00 Bucks 105 (OT)
(3) 1966-67 Lakers 118, (14) 2008-09 Kings 81
(4) 1973-74 Denver Rockets 106, (13) 1951-52 Hawks 79
(5) 1962-63 Pistons 114, (12) 1984-85 Pacers 104
(6) 2006-07 Trail Blazers 103, (11) 1953-54 Hawks 76
(10) 1991-92 Nuggets 104, (7) 1996-97 Warriors 90
(8) 2012-13 Kings 107, (9) 1981-82 Jazz 102
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(9) 1981-82 Jazz 109, (16) 1998-99 Grizzlies 85
(2) 1999-00 Bucks 111, (7) 1996-97 Warriors 101
(14) 2008-09 Kings 99, (11) 1953-54 Hawks 91
(12) 1984-85 Pacers 103, (13) 1951-52 Hawks 82
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(16) 1998-99 Grizzlies 104, (13) 1951-52 Hawks 88
(7) 1996-97 Warriors 104, (11) 1953-54 Hawks 76
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(11) 1953-54 Hawks 83, (13) 1951-52 Hawks 75

Fort Wayne Region
(1) 1955-56 Pistons 109, (16) 1986-87 Clippers 102
(2) 2001-02 Bucks 110, (15) 1975-76 Squires 107
(14) 2004-05 Hornets 122, (3) 1957-58 Pistons 113
(4) 2010-11 Bucks 110, (13) 1993-94 Bucks 99
(12) 1970-71 Braves 102, (5) 1952-53 Olympians 92 (OT)
(11) 1982-83 Cavaliers 109, (6) 1958-59 Pistons 102
(7) 1961-62 Knicks 128, (10) 1992-93 Kings 122
(8) 1994-95 Pistons 112, (9) 2000-01 Nets 80
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(9) 2000-01 Nets 106, (16) 1986-87 Clippers 97
(10) 1992-93 Kings 125, (15) 1975-76 Squires 107
(3) 1957-58 Pistons 114, (6) 1958-59 Pistons 93
(13) 1993-94 Bucks 93, (5) 1952-53 Olympians 78
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(16) 1986-87 Clippers 85, (5) 1952-53 Olympians 79
(15) 1975-76 Squires 112, (6) 1958-59 Pistons 109
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(5) 1952-53 Olympians 97, (6) 1958-59 Pistons 80

Final Four
(10) 1980-81 Nets 109, (6) 1958-59 Pistons 99
(12) 1969-70 Floridians 99, (13) 1951-52 Hawks 87

Final Game
(6) 1958-59 Pistons 103, (13) 1951-52 Hawks 78

Worst of the worst: 1951-52 Milwaukee Hawks

Conclusion:
- the league was at its worst in the pre-shot clock days (also proof that high school ball needs shot clocks)
- the 1990-91 Denver Nuggets were an awesome bad team (average score in their two games here was 143-130)
- I might revisit this next year with the 2014-15 series facing the Hawks but I expect this team to stay as the worst of the worst
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im pretty sure Wilt Chamberlin would never get 100 points in this day and age. BUT, LeBron or Durant might be able to do it more than once his Wilts age. Still interesting that the Pistons won! And did you see that sickening Paul George leg snap! Ugh

Looks like Love will end up in Cleveland...Cavs will be a team to watch. Shit for Detroit though, with Rose firing and Cavs good, they will face an uphill battle
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I figured the Love-for-Wiggins was near completion as the league supposedly suspended the sale of Wiggins jerseys for the time being.
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According to Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor, the trade should be a done deal by August 24th.
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Yep, Cavs will be a good team, 2 aussie might take a title again, but different aussies, Irving and Dellavedova. Aussie Aussie Aussie!

And bad news for Indiana incase you missed it, which most of you being from 'Merica ofc would know, Paul George is out for the next 12 months, which is good for Detroit :)
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Considering I live in Indiana, nope, I didn't miss it. But the initial diagnosis of George went from a full season to perhaps only half-three quarters of one last I heard.
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